tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post5528266000453894221..comments2023-12-18T16:57:20.274+02:00Comments on Isramom: Reaching for the Stars or Slippery Slope?Risa Tzoharhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05012097234847651866noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-3578800936632924942010-10-26T02:21:43.424+02:002010-10-26T02:21:43.424+02:00I recently wrote a post that dovetails nicely with...I recently wrote a post that dovetails nicely with this line of comments. See http://bataliyah.blogspot.com/2010/10/when-separate-is-hurtful.htmlbataliyahhttp://bataliyah.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-4153793080288685052010-10-24T15:52:15.766+02:002010-10-24T15:52:15.766+02:00risa, i'm quite literally awe-struck at this p...risa, i'm quite literally awe-struck at this post. you've CLAIMED so very much as your own, and that's nothing short of impressive. <br /><br />many years ago i would have assumed that our thoughts were on different planes, but i would have been wrong. and i'm glad that my mind has opened (a lot) in recent years. <br /><br />i look forward to learning more from you and when the time is right, sharing posts like this with my children so they too can see that "feminism" "religiosity" "segregation" can look many, many different ways.<br /><br />thank you. :)Minnesota Mamalehhttp://tcjewfolk.com/author/galitbreen/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-40695369168798965942010-10-18T03:24:56.794+02:002010-10-18T03:24:56.794+02:00Risa, all I can say is the same as Rahel: Hear, he...Risa, all I can say is the same as Rahel: <i>Hear, hear,</i> and <i>Yea!</i><br />I am proud to be Orthodox, but am totally dismayed at the lengths to which the "chumra of the week" people are going, with nit-picking on <i>syagim la-Torah</i>, totally forgetting the purpose of the law.<br /><br />Harassment on buses? Jewish women wearing burkas? This is insane, and not what the Torah was meant to be.<br /><br />I strongly believe that women who are Torah scholars should be officially honored and given an exalted place in the <i>kehilah.</i> Otherwise, their learning would be considered meaningless, because that is the way the community would see it, by not sanctioning their learning.Lady-Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04992305067771885711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-27797407284214536592010-10-12T14:36:23.168+02:002010-10-12T14:36:23.168+02:00On the chair issue, I'm with Rahel. On that an...On the chair issue, I'm with Rahel. On that and the buses, sidewalks etc. I think there's not much argument among most of my friends. The communal prayer issue is another story and I hope my next post on the subject of feminism will deal with that.Risa Tzoharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05012097234847651866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-57903664371975303932010-10-12T11:55:04.598+02:002010-10-12T11:55:04.598+02:00Batya, to me it's all of a piece: forced segre...Batya, to me it's all of a piece: forced segregation on buses, forced segregation on streets, the aguna problem, refusal to allow women to participate as fully in synagogue life as halakha allows, and so on. It's all discrimination in one form or another, and I suppose that we all choose the fronts on which we fight it.<br /><br />Since I have a bit of a big mouth, I probably would have appropriated chairs for myself and for other women, and if anyone had challenged me, I'd have challenged them to justify forcing the women to stand.Rahel Jaskowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626844724417933492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-47657685850872222412010-10-12T09:51:35.582+02:002010-10-12T09:51:35.582+02:00Risa, you've been involved with this stuff for...Risa, you've been involved with this stuff for decades, the early 1970's, long before others. <br /><br />Chana's prayers at Shiloh, recognized by G-d Who chastised Eli the High Priest for his nastiness...<br /><br />Personally, I don't feel a need to join the "men's" way, even if there are halachik justifications. My life is complicated enough. But I do get very angry and offended when in a synagogue that provides men chairs at a kiddush but force the women to stand. No amount of cake and cookies justifies such abuse. and similar things...Batyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09402874037427009327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21538597.post-65825660319389435482010-10-12T09:13:09.491+02:002010-10-12T09:13:09.491+02:00Hear, hear!Hear, hear!Rahel Jaskowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05626844724417933492noreply@blogger.com